Nice story: Pot-smoking moms tired of being judged by wine drinkers
“Being judged for doing something nontoxic and totally organic, enjoying a god-given plant, by moms who suck back two bottles of Chardonnay like sports drinks feels like s—,†complains Margaret. “Any hypocrisy is hard to swallow.†[…]
“If I wanted to, I could sit with a glass of wine in one hand, a cup of coffee in the other, with a cigarette pressed between my lips, under the influence of prescription narcotics — all the while holding my child in my lap,†says Serra Frank, founding director of Moms for Marijuana and mother of two, ages 9 and 12.
Not having been a parent, I can't fully understand what it's like. However, I've watched a lot of parents and have seen how incredibly stressful it can be. I can certainly imagine that something like a little pot to take the edge off now and then would be amazingly useful.
OT: Sabet and Nadelmann, head to head.
Beat me to the punch on that! I love how Sabet had fewer questions directed to him and he still studdered half the time.
Again and again he uses the “alcohol is bad, why would we want another drug like that legal?” I wonder if he is even paying attention to his argument sometimes… because if you really break it down, the “alcohol is bad” argument has the logical next step of prohibition. Hell, let’s prohibit prescription painkillers too!
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…I will never be able to retire that bit…
Some jurisdictions here in California have been going after moms who use cannabis.
In Butte County, one woman is facing felony child endangerment charges because she breastfed her kids while using cannabis (with a recommendation), or because the DA thought the small children might grab some buds and eat them, suffering who knows what as a consequence.
It goes far beyond people condescending to you; these folks literally had their months-old children snatched from their arms: http://www.freemybabies.org/
That’s so horrible.
It’s one of the terrible, terrible injustices of mankind against mankind that have bothered me so much about the so called “Wars” on people using cannabis.
Separating children from their parents is right after all the murders, as ranking on a scale of injustice against people by prohibitionists.
Snatching them from their mother’s arms is better than killing them… which they have done.
It’s just so obscene. I can’t understand why anyone couldn’t see that it’s obscenely wrong. How is it possible to be that thick? That dense? That blind?
Actually, literally, physically blind people could see the obscenity.
And I can’t understand why people would not think such a thing was important or significant for government to tend to correcting as quickly as possible.
That same thickness? That same blindness? They want to keep hurting people in the name of their prohibiting zeal?
http://www.freemybabies.org/2012/07/16/jurisdiction-terminated/
It appears they have their children back.
Some of these same cops who go after these pot smoking moms.
Are the very ones who beat and abuse their wives and kids
That abuse is often the result of their excessive alcohol consumption. The media regularly runs items about cops doing stupid stuff while drunk, and the excuse revolves around their ‘high stress’ jobs. If their jobs are that stressful to them, they are obviously unsuited to it, and should quit.
When I was 11 I ratted on my parents for smoking pot.the cops said I did the right thing.next thing I realized they took me away to a city 25 miles away into a fosterhome with 7 other foster kids.the foster parents would beat us if we didn’t do as we were told.and I think some of the girls may have been molested.I l never got out of that hell till I was 18 and finally got to see my mom and dad again.and I thought weed was bad. Opening my mouth was worse
Sad story. Hope you have reconciled with your parents.
This is very common. Some of my own children are in this very scenario, and seeing it end for them is my interest in this. I can’t see leaving this kind of legacy.
End the drug wars – save the children.
It’s the ultimate irony of the drug war.
Those who sanctimoneously shriek “Save the Children” are the very same people who are, in fact, harming the children. They simply refuse to believe that they can be wrong, and we (anti-prohibitionists) don’t yet have the votes or the firepower to stop them.
One day, we will. I hope that day is soon, for the children’s sake.
This is why they use the “it’s for the children” excuse, the real purpose is NOT saving the children, the real purpose is grabbing more and more power:
“The State must declare the child to be the most precious treasure of the people. As long as the government is perceived as working for the benefit of the children, the people will happily endure almost any curtailment of liberty and almost any deprivation.” — Adolf Hitler, “Mein Kampfâ€
Marijuana restrictions eased for organ transplant candidates at OHSU and Portland VA
http://tinyurl.com/73f65tw
OHSU Hospital has quietly eased restrictions on pot use among people seeking organ transplants, a shift driven in part by the rising number of medical marijuana patients in Oregon.
The hospital in the past year has revisited its long-standing policy that required six months of negative drug screens and even the possibility of drug rehabilitation for marijuana users before patients could be waitlisted for a liver transplant. The revised policy allows marijuana users who meet all other criteria to be waitlisted for liver transplants if a single screen turns up negative.
The new approach also applies to OHSU’s kidney, pancreas and heart transplant programs, but most of the discussion has focused on liver patients, among whom substance abuse and marijuana use are common.
Some people still believe hippies snuck back 3000 years in a time machine and put all those medical uses for marijuana in those old Chinese medical scrolls.
From what I’ve read, there’s more evidence that cannabis use during pregnancy promotes fetal health than there is evidence of harm. At the very least, if cannabis use is harmful during pregnancy, it’s clearly far LESS harmful than alcohol or many prescription drugs. And of course, if convincing evidence of harm could be produced, it would simply become prudent to advise expectant mothers of that fact (as we do now with alcohol, tobacco, and a whole slew of foods and activities). It would certainly not be an argument for continuing the idiocy of cannabis prohibition.
What “message” is a cannabis-using mother sending to her children? It’s hard to say. I suppose that depends on whether or not she makes them aware of that use and how she discusses the issue with them. One message might be that it’s important to think for yourself rather than meekly submitting to illegitimate authority. Another might be the importance of respecting your body and making safer choices.
The claim that children of cannabis users are more likely to use cannabis themselves certainly makes some intuitive sense. My guess is that children of parents who consume alcohol are more likely than the children of teetotalers to drink themselves. At least with cannabis, you’re not modeling the use of a deadly, addictive, and violence-promoting drug. The claim that children who begin consuming cannabis earlier have a higher rate of psychiatric disorders is probably true. I’m also told that people who use inhalers are more likely to suffer from asthma. In other words, there’s probably some causality there. It’s just that the drug warriors get it (like most things) completely backwards.
I hate to be different than the people that wrote the article,,but I can’t remember a message one my mother sent me in the fetus stage,,,and I have a pretty good memory,,,avoiding Alzeimers with more herbal medicine now.
http://forum.grasscity.com/medical-marijuana-usage-applications/645925-grannys-mmj-list-july-2010-a.html?highlight=marijuana+fetus+developement
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The study linked below is comparable in size and scope to Dr. Tashkin’s 2006 study but on the subject of mothering and cannabis:
Use of Marijuana During Pregnancy
OK, who wants to bet that study linked above showed health problems for the fetuses due to the use of cannabis during pregnancy? No peeking!
mothers do send messages to their unborn children through what they consume during pregnancy. if your mom consumes broccoli when she’s preggers you have a greater chance of liking broccoli than not. i’ll bet the same goes for cannabis. but that’s a good message to send the kiddies, not a bad one. if the 1930’s reefer madness wasn’t a lie, ol’ r. gilbert kerlikowske would have recieved the right message when his pregnant pot addict mom inhaled for pleasure, or he may have had a little african dna in his blood and be into jazz. sadly there was no marihuana epidemic in the 30’s, so gil had no chance to get his mind right. the lies of the past have created one of the biggest liars of this century.
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So I guess we can look forward to hearing prohibitionists whining “but what kind of message does it send to the fetuses?” Just peachy. Just when you start to think that the hysterical rhetoric is at the outer limits of absurdity, these people outdo themselves.
Serra Frank STFU theres nothing wrong with cigarettes and prescription drugs other than the fact that prescription drugs should be available without prescription. screw you and the pot leaf you came in on.
me thinketh your hypocrislip is showing CJ…